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catgirl wrote:great. then i will make a pain in the ass file. or one that is inducing schizophrenia. or a file for people with a fetish for paranoia. for all the people who really want that.
seriously, anyone who thinks such files make people happy are NOT playing SSC. they are acting out their complexes with the help of hypnosis.
*end of this thread*
uw_onsterfelijk wrote:The site OWNER replied to catgirl stating his opinion and stance on her concerns... and this is a continued heated discussion why?
DKaiser wrote:uw_onsterfelijk wrote:The site OWNER replied to catgirl stating his opinion and stance on her concerns... and this is a continued heated discussion why?
Because it's amusing to watch. *munches popcorn excitedly*
catgirl wrote:sorry liann, but you are talking extreme bullshit.
suggestions for srs are something completely different than suggestions for crossdressing or submission.
if you had any knowledge about anorexia you would know it is not defined as loosing weight for fat sissys, but having a Body weight that is inconsistent with age, build and height (usually 15% below normal weight).
that means a person would be so thin and light that it is far below the look of a normal girl. such a person does NOT fit the clothing sold off the rack.
instead of posting more "verbal diarrhea", you should return to the original subject of the thread.
• Name: catgirl - Crossdress Experiment
Description: My new file "Crossdress Experiment" is really forced feminization, because it will cause you to stop wearing male clothes. You will have an intense desire to wear female clothing instead. You may feel an itch to start when you try to wear male clothing. Subjects with intense allergies may want to keep some antihistamines ready, just in case you want to wear male clothing again.
• Name: catgirl - Gogo Girl feminization
Description: Gogo Girl feminization was ... downloaded on WMM and other sites for more than 7000 times ever since. ... Also promotes other permanent feminization changes like submission to men, crossdressing, female self-confidence and wearing latex and other fetish wear. Intended for subjects who are desiring advanced feminization and listened to WMM files like StrokeSissy or M2F.
• Name: catgirl - New You Price: $15 Buy Now
Description: This intense curse file transforms you into a transsexual woman with the help of hypnosis. It is intended for everyone who desires permanent change. You will feel motivated to live a 24/7 life - en femme. Recommended for M2F transsexuals. Your personality may change into a more feminine version, forgetting you have ever been a man. Contains suggestions and post hypnotic suggestions to alter your memory, mindset, desires and needs for feminine appearance.
uw_onsterfelijk wrote:The file in question should stay, but this thread on the other hand... needs deleting!
catgirl wrote:
second: sarnoga, this was a really long reply.
catgirl wrote:
i never said that something should be censored. i just vote for adding rules and ethical standards regarding the files that are supposed to be published here.
catgirl wrote:
just like there are ethical standards for surgery, medical care and atomic bombs, there should be ethical standards for the contents of hypnosis files.
catgirl wrote:
and i did not talk about crossdressing or some weird fetish. i was talking about severe menthal disorders.
catgirl wrote:
your criticism about the dsm-iv or icd-10 definition of menthal disorders is not justified. first of all, these classification systems are an international consensus of leading international menthal health professionals. the taxonomy is primary aiming at classifying types of patients for the purpose of billing the health insurance. what is ill or what should be treated in the individual case depends on the judgement of the menthal health professional.
catgirl wrote:
the fact that homosexuality was removed from dsm doesn't mean anyone was cured or treated wrong. it just means that the international community has come to a consensus that the "disorder" either wasn't properly defined or research showed it doesn't deserve the status of a disorder that is billed for the health insurance. when you talk about transvestism, fetishism etc. you are omitting an important part: in the last thirty years hardly anyone was diagnosed or treated for this problem. a patient would have to go to a psychatrist and declare he is having severe problems regarding his family life, job, or other reasons because of transvestism. and most professionals would not treat the patient to stop the crossdressing, but treat the patient with marriage counseling, strengthening his ego etc. my old professor at the university always told me: do not code any diagnosis regarding to sexuality! but there are situations, when the diagnosis can be coded. think of the former pilot of queen elisabeth II: he was an elite army pilot. he murdered lots of women, not raping them, only to steal their underwear and make pictures of wearing them. obviously the transvestism is in relation to a forensic case. and the crossdressing has prognostic value (IN THIS INDIVIDUAL). again, i'm not saying that all crossdressers are criminals. but there are certain cases that can be pathologic and linked to a state where a compulsive disorder causes a criminal act for which the subject is not holding criminal responsibility.
catgirl wrote:
now, to come back to the topic of anorexia and depression: i did not hear any complaint about saying these two disorders are not disorders.
catgirl wrote:there is a number of files on the site that intend to cause serious mental illness - depression, anorexia, etc.. explicit and without any good reason. i don't know what kind of people are behind such ideas, but i think these files should not be allowed here.
catgirl wrote:
you could say that the definition of anorexia is too sharp. voting for a lower boundary. like saying 60 lbs for a six feet tall person is ok. but i don't think you will succeed in eliminating this from any psychatric manual. i think you would also talk differently if you had ever treated such patients before. same applies to depression.
catgirl wrote:
last thought: any community requires rules and moderation.
catgirl wrote:
otherwise a small number of egoistic, sadistic people will spread havoc over the site.
catgirl wrote:
it is just like in real life. the amount of moderation can lead from laissez faire to control freak admins.
catgirl wrote:
i personally think that i saved a lot of people on my own site from a small number of psychopathic hypnotists whose primary goal is gaining control over people, manipulating and harming them with the help of hypnosis.
catgirl wrote:
there is a reason why crack is not sold in supermarkets. before you advocate for complete freedom of choice etc. you should define who is responsible for any damage that results from people who make bad choices. like listening to a file that induces depression, leading to suicide after repeated listening. i am sure that nobody will feel responsible for such a result here. not even the submitter of the file.
catgirl wrote:
the anonymity of the internet often leads to a kind of anomic structure. a place where rules are absent or not enforced. like child pornography sites.
catgirl wrote:
now, to provide an example for such a file (please explain to me in detail, where the erotic or productive part of this file is supposed to be, sarnoga):
EMG wrote:
However, the file states EXACTLY what it is about, it doesn't lie, it warns that you could end up depressed and is that REALLY that much worse than my file that leaves you feeling degraded and humiliated if you don't lose weight. That tells you you're fat and the only way you'll have worth is to lose weight.
EMG wrote:
The files on this site represent choices, choices that people make that they believe will make their life better(or at least the way they want it). Not many of us will ever listen to Living on the Floor, but to some people it speaks. I know what my fetish's are, and I know that everyone else has theirs. I try not to step on those unless it involves something blatantly illegal.
catgirl wrote:
(ps: i reported a complaint to the admins of this site regarding this file before. i don't want to start a new discussion about every new shit file on this site - like a bottom up strategy, i want rules and ethical standards what is defined as acceptable - top down strategy. discussions about details,experiences with acceptable files can be done in the rating and comment section of each file)
Calimore wrote:
Seriously though, this all comes down to people doing things to themselves and, like tattoos, piercings and self-immolation, they all do it for personal, often intimate reasons.
sarnoga wrote:I don't know for sure why I bothered to respond further in this thread as I doubt that what I write will have much impact. I suspect I did so out of a perverse desire to amuse DKaiser and promote his excited popcorn munching.
Kimber1 wrote:As a participant of this site, my thoughts are:
1. A few comments reference "censorship". Well, if its a matter of ethics, that is one thing, if it is a matter of illegal activity, that is another. I am not being "censored" when the law says I cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater. On the other hand, it might be censorship if I were prohibited from writing an article saying "the movie sucked." So, if we are going to toss words like "censorship" into the discussion, lets use those words with some care.
Icono wrote:Any file which cultivates an obsessive, negative perception of your appearance is seeding a bodily dysmorphic disorder. These are difficult to overcome, and people who suffer from them not only have their lives destroyed but also face a significantly higher suicide rate.
ohyouknow wrote:Icono wrote:Any file which cultivates an obsessive, negative perception of your appearance is seeding a bodily dysmorphic disorder. These are difficult to overcome, and people who suffer from them not only have their lives destroyed but also face a significantly higher suicide rate.
Could it be though that people who have induced them deliberately, as a form of self-expression, might not have those negative effects, and might even benefit?
Icono wrote:
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The people making these files, and those who are downloading it as a motivational tool to loose weight, are dangerously ignorant on the risks involved.
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