The forced gay success thread...

[Alien4420]

By the way, where *is* Sluttinmyhead's Bottom? I can't find it here, just the female version (which looks pretty cool in and of itself, not sure what effect it would have on guys). I have the original version on my disk, but I do love the file and would love to see others enjoy it. Also wonder what would happen if someone used it as a primary means of turning gay -- I didn't listen until I'd been thoroughly programmed by the others.

Avalon, that's really cool!

[santi777]

Wow, thanks for the suggestions everyone! I think i'm going to listen to two files primarily Feminine Conditioning and Curse Forced Gay. I have listened to quite a lot of Sissy files in the past and i think they would complement each other and i like the fact they won't be any conflict :)

I have sort of created from some other Sissy Files, two files which focus on 'friendship with women' which i really love to think about! My two best friends are both female and i love thinking about being friends with girls! But for now i will focus on Feminine Conditioning and Curse Forced Gay. My goal is to end up being a Gay Sissy with no sexual attraction to women! I hope this works :)

Wow! Avalon that's so cool you got your nails done!!! I can't wait to start doing things like that with my friends ;)

Thanks Alien for your suggestions :) You really have been so helpful!!! Sluttinmyhead's Bottom file is actually available on their website but you do have to pay a bit for it! I may pick it up at some point but i really want to focus hard on Feminine Conditioning and Curse Forced Gay!!!

[Alien4420]

I'd say it's almost guaranteed to work! There have been almost no failures here -- I think one guy just didn't stay in trance with CFG, I guess he was just too resistant, and then there were some guys who used files to turn straight again before CFG was in deeply and a couple who ended up bi -- but since this is what you want I don't think any of that will affect you.

BTW, for me and for some others attraction to women was the last thing to go. I felt gay long before and couldn't have sex with women because I couldn't stay hard anymore but I'd still look at women or porn and get turned on. Well, the way I came to look at it is that most straight people are a bit bi anyway. Now women can still look beautiful to me but it's like there's a filter that blocks attraction e.g. to breasts and I started liking male faces rather than female ones. Faces were also hard for a lot of us because CFG doesn't have a face suggestion but that's fixed in the Forced Gay file, the one that combines CFG and Train Sex Men. I knew I'd really turned when facial hair stopped turning me off and turned me on instead!

Also, at some point, I really became gay in that rather than having this sense that my straightness was being blocked and these new desires tacked on I just accepted it as what I was. Now when I think about straight sex I get anxious, as I used to get anxious when I thought about gay sex. Or if I see a man and woman kissing, say, on TV, I get uncomfortable the way I used to get if I saw two guys. It's all been flipped on its head.

[OxyFemboi]

santi wrote:
Wow, thanks for the suggestions everyone! I think i'm going to listen to two files primarily Feminine Conditioning and Curse Forced Gay. I have listened to quite a lot of Sissy files in the past and i think they would complement each other and i like the fact they won't be any conflict :-)

Well, if you listen to Curse Forced Gay and Feminine Conditioning, you should succeed in your goal of becoming a femme gay guy.

I'm going to be reading this thread, watching for your posts. I hope that you get everything you want. *kisses*

[santi777]

Wow, thanks so much for the support, Guys!!! Well i did change my line up, slightly. I did try listening to Feminine Conditioning but i couldn't really get into his voice. But i have a 'Female Friendship' file that includes a bit of Feminization as well. It lasts about 12 minutes (i edited the original file) and then i will go straight into 'Curse Forced Gay'.

I am seeing some effects already...i definitely think about cocks a lot more!!! I think this file might work on me a little quicker because i've been listening to Sissy files for about two years but i really feel i need to remove my sexual attraction to women because i'm more comfortable with men.

I really can't wait for the changes to take place. It will be such a relief for me. So how do you guys date? I mean do you go online or use dating sites? I'm so ready for some fun but i will probably have to listen to the file for a little bit ;)

[Alien4420]

Well I live in a small place and everyone knows everyone else. It didn't take me very long to meet some gay guys in my neighborhood. First I made eye contact with someone at the doctor's office, but we had appointments and I didn't see him after that. Then I was approached by a hustler and said no to his little junkie self, but became friends with him and his boyfriend and met some other guys in the neighborhood through them. So I've never tried the online thing. Besides which condoms aren't 100%. I try to edit out promiscuity suggestions after a first listen but they're in a lot of files so I've heard a lot of them, plus sometimes I miss them or they're hidden Ericksonian stuff (hi, Sarnoga). So I think I've pretty much been programmed to give my body to anyone who wants it. Since I read that something like 40% of the guys you meet through the Internet are HIV+, I try to keep myself away from situations where those suggestions would be put to the test, though I confess I love the idea of having no choice and I'm really curious about whether they'd work, so some day I may go somewhere and see if they do. :-)

[santi777]

Oh that's really cool you were able to meet people without having to go online:) I actually date mostly online, it's a little easier for me because i am a cross dresser so i like to use my female pictures. I don't want guys thinking i'm a macho gay guy...lol. I'm actually talking to a few guys right now if anything happens i will let you know ;)

[Alien4420]

Hey, I never thought of that. I'm sort of unfinished TS -- took hormones and changed but never stopped living as a guy. Back then if you met people online no one knew what the other looked like and I was too shy to dress and go to tranny bars. I just wish I had some privacy here, I'd give your technique a try since really while I like being a gay bottom and I think I'v gotten too old to be desirable as a girl, heaven for me would still be being someone's shemale bitch.

[avalon69]

I just love the support network that has sprung up to help straight visitors go gay here!

Big hugs to all you support queens!!!!


*muahh*
xxxx
ava

[Alien4420]

We won't rest until every straight guy in the world has turned gay, and every gay guy has turned straight. :-)

[West7]

I've been listening to these curse forced gay, change preference, sissy files, pretty much any that encourage you to suck or be fucked on and off for years. Im 25 and started listening when about 16. Guess I've always been straight curious. Never done anything to act on it, but as you guys know its always been getting a little stronger. Now find myself frequently messaging guys on grindr to flirt and exchange pics. Still too scared to meet any, worried about that regret feeling after, but def getting closer. Any guys who have been through the same thing feel free to message me to chat or post here. Im currently trying to find a mistress to dom me and lead me through the final stages.
Anyway wanted to say I've been enjoying this thread from a distance for years!

[Alien4420]

Hi West,

I know what you're going through. I've been through that myself. It's really hard to get past all the negative social programming but I know that the more I do, the happier I am.

Regarding guys on Grindr, what I'd suggest is that you have a few drinks some night and invite some guy over. Tell him you're curious and inexperienced, he'll be cool with that and excited. And then you can talk and try some stuff. I think you'll find that it's a lot like swimming in cold water, it's hard to get in but once you've taken the plunge, you're suddenly comfortable. Just use condoms and play safe.

Two files I've found helpful with my reticence are sluttinmhead's Positive Gay Male, which has lots of positive suggestions about being gay, and EMG's Freedom from Mental Bondage. Also EMG's Train Not Shy, if shyness is getting in the way as it does for me. And I'm really looking forward to the file Endo is working on, which is designed to help us accept our sissy nature, something I still wrestle with.

Mind Mistress does phone sessions and is in to feminization and turning guys gay, so if you have some dough, you could do some sessions with her:

http://adult.hypnoticwishes.com/

Regarding the regret feeling, yah, I had that for quite a while. Loved the changes when I was horny, freaked out the moment I'd come. But I think it wears off after time. I've passed the point at which I felt any regrets about being gay, it really was just fear and no substance, being gay is great. So once you realize that the fears are just inside you you're cool with it.

Anyway, really glad to have you here.

[West7]

Hi thanks so much for reply. All good ideas. Yeah it's crazy while I'm horny I'm now sending guys my location on grindr. Not yet giving address but plan too soon. Baby steps. I don't want anything as much as I want a cock when I'm horny. Just need to cross that threshold and get a man over. I feel I'm closer than ever before. Thinking of not masturbating for a while to build up the desire and stop the cycle of two steps forward one step back. Feels good just to share.

[santi777]

Well i finally took the plunge today. I posted an ad for a casual dating site a few days ago (using my female pic) and lots of guys responded! I felt a bit bad because i couldn't respond to all of them. I was talking to a few and then a guy charmed me into coming over to his house.

I explained i would be arriving in male mode and then changing later. I brought over a top, yoga pants and panties. I put on a little wig and some lipstick and i felt so much better. I really feel so comfortable about being with a guy when i'm dressed up. I guess that makes sense, right...lol

Anyway, he was very horny but patient. I started rubbing on his cock and couldn't wait to get him in my mouth! Ohhh it was so good. I mostly just sucked on his cock but i did lay back and spread my legs when he was on top of me. It felt so amazing!!!

I came first and then helped him cum too. It felt so good to have a big hard cock in my hand. I haven't been with a guy in almost three years and i feel so much better now! I'm not sure if i will see him again. He's a bit older than me (I'm 41, he's 50) but there are other guys waiting to play too so who knows!!! Wow i so love being gay :):):)

Alien, I really prefer dressing up and being with men. I realize it's not for everyone but i find it so so so hot! I notice you said you think you are a bit too old to dress up but i have a older friend (she's in her 60s) and she started dressing a few years ago. And she has plenty of boyfriends!!! Give it try...you never know!

***I just wanted to say that i have been listening to sissy files for about two years now so that's probably why an actual encounter happened so quickly. It may take longer for other guys who are just starting out with this file***

[Alien4420]

Well i finally took the plunge today. I posted an ad for a casual dating site a few days ago (using my female pic) and lots of guys responded! I felt a bit bad because i couldn't respond to all of them. I was talking to a few and then a guy charmed me into coming over to his house.

I explained i would be arriving in male mode and then changing later. I brought over a top, yoga pants and panties. I put on a little wig and some lipstick and i felt so much better. I really feel so comfortable about being with a guy when i'm dressed up. I guess that makes sense, right...lol

Anyway, he was very horny but patient. I started rubbing on his cock and couldn't wait to get him in my mouth! Ohhh it was so good. I mostly just sucked on his cock but i did lay back and spread my legs when he was on top of me. It felt so amazing!!!

I came first and then helped him cum too. It felt so good to have a big hard cock in my hand. I haven't been with a guy in almost three years and i feel so much better now! I'm not sure if i will see him again. He's a bit older than me (I'm 41, he's 50) but there are other guys waiting to play too so who knows!!! Wow i so love being gay :):):)

Alien, I really prefer dressing up and being with men. I realize it's not for everyone but i find it so so so hot! I notice you said you think you are a bit too old to dress up but i have a older friend (she's in her 60s) and she started dressing a few years ago. And she has plenty of boyfriends!!! Give it try...you never know!

***I just wanted to say that i have been listening to sissy files for about two years now so that's probably why an actual encounter happened so quickly. It may take longer for other guys who are just starting out with this file***

Wow, that's way cool. And great to hear about your friend. I'm still in my 50's so if she can do it, it sounds like I can too!

[Hypno_Dog]

By the way, where *is* Sluttinmyhead's Bottom? I can't find it here, just the female version (which looks pretty cool in and of itself, not sure what effect it would have on guys). I have the original version on my disk, but I do love the file and would love to see others enjoy it. Also wonder what would happen if someone used it as a primary means of turning gay -- I didn't listen until I'd been thoroughly programmed by the others.

Avalon, that's really cool!

Did you ever find the answer to this? Intrigued to say the least!

[Alien4420]

Someone found the file on Slutinmyhead's website:

http://gayhypnosis.com/front/audio/programmable-bottom/

[santi777]

Yeah thanks Alien :):):) You might want to consider a transformation service if you really want to experiment a little more with your feminine side. I live near a big city so i was able to find a lady who does female makeovers for guys. She took about 100 photos and then i choose the best ones for my dating profile. I'm on a regular dating site too and i get hit on by straight guys all the time. Some of them are really young like 20! Makes me feel good but weird at the same time...lol.

[Alien4420]

Hey, that sounds pretty cool! The 20-y-o guys, I mean. :-)

I live in the boondocks now so there's probably no professional transformation service. For that matter, probably not that many dates, and everyone knows everyone else so that's another issue.

I really have to move back to civilization . . . New York or LA . . .

[Alien4420]

Hey, that sounds pretty cool! The 20-y-o guys, I mean. :-)

I live in the boondocks now so there's probably no professional transformation service. For that matter, probably not that many dates, and everyone knows everyone else so that's another issue.

I really have to move back to civilization . . . New York or LA . . .

[OxyFemboi]

west wrote:
Yeah it's crazy while I'm horny I'm now sending guys my location on grindr. Not yet giving address but plan too soon. Baby steps. I don't want anything as much as I want a cock when I'm horny. Just need to cross that threshold and get a man over. I feel I'm closer than ever before.

Welcome!

santi wrote:
I came first and then helped him cum too. It felt so good to have a big hard cock in my hand. I haven't been with a guy in almost three years and i feel so much better now! I'm not sure if i will see him again. He's a bit older than me (I'm 41, he's 50) but there are other guys waiting to play too so who knows!!! Wow i so love being gay :-D :-D :-D

It's never too late. I'm sixty-three (63), and will be sixty-four (64) in October. I might find someone yet .... :-D

santi wrote:
You might want to consider a transformation service if you really want to experiment a little more with your feminine side. I live near a big city so i was able to find a lady who does female makeovers for guys.

*sigh* I'm in the boonies. I really need to live in or near Civilization.

Alien wrote:
Hey, that sounds pretty cool! The 20-y-o guys, I mean. :-D

I live in the boondocks now so there's probably no professional transformation service. For that matter, probably not that many dates, and everyone knows everyone else so that's another issue.

I really have to move back to civilization . . . New York or LA . . .

I'd like a guy who's a bit more mature ... in his thirties, perhaps. At least the dude has to have figured out that there are differences between things you need (necessities like rent and food), want (certain foods like cheesecake, which isn't a necessity but is a treat), and desires (anything that isn't a necessity ... wanting to have sex with *pick sexy dude*, for example ... or the latest electronic toy) and budgets accordingly.

Hey, Alien, maybe we could move to Civilization together. I was thinking maybe SF but ... we could at least be frustrated together :-D

[avalon69]

Perhaps we could all all move to a town together and live in harmony. That would be delicious!

[santi777]

Perhaps we could all all move to a town together and live in harmony. That would be delicious!

Sounds great!!! As long as there are lots of hot guys in the town...;)
I think i'll take 2 or 3 please ;)

[OxyFemboi]

santi wrote:

avalon69 wrote:
Perhaps we could all all move to a town together and live in harmony. That would be delicious!

Sounds great!!! As long as there are lots of hot guys in the town...Wink
I think i'll take 2 or 3 please ;-)

Sounds like a great idea to me! Count me in! Oh yeah ... When the harem are done with you, send them over!

I had a great post on my Tumblr page the other night:
The Question: What is your favorite sexual position?
My answer: Your cock up my ass!

[Alien4420]

And, of course, missionary position heterosexual sex will be against the law, ministers will threaten those who don't have extramarital sex with eternal damnation, and anyone caught being vanilla will have to go to a hypnotherapist to have perversions installed.

[avalon69]

santi wrote:

avalon69 wrote:
Perhaps we could all all move to a town together and live in harmony. That would be delicious!

Sounds great!!! As long as there are lots of hot guys in the town...Wink
I think i'll take 2 or 3 please ;-)

Sounds like a great idea to me! Count me in! Oh yeah ... When the harem are done with you, send them over!

I had a great post on my Tumblr page the other night:
The Question: What is your favorite sexual position?
My answer: Your cock up my ass!

You read my mind bbz!

xxx
ava

[chibicure]

Hi Everyone,

I want to start by saying, WOW. And then uh oh. So I'm married and have been without sex for about 18 months. My wife just doesn't have a big drive so I've been spending some time online using stories and femdom to find my fantasies. Those with men who are forced-bi or somehow find themselves tricked or forced gay really got me hot for a while. But I've never been really attracted to anything other than the cock. I've played with toys and everything, but never been able to be attracted to men. Always felt uncomfortable around gay couples, watching them together, kissing, making out, even gay porn. Always had the effect of shutting me down. What I liked was being submissive and considering the change.

But here's the thing. My search for another fantasy led me to Curse Forced Gay. I haven't tried any other hypnosis ever. And I didn't read this forum first. So two nights ago, because I had just a little time to sneak away, instead of reading the warnings, I just downloaded and listened. When it was over, I was hard as a rock, scanned for some gay porn and just exploded at the first thing I saw. That was when I decided to start reading this thread. Maybe I should have read this first?

The idea of a permanent change has always excited me, but as I said, never really looked at men. Not in the shower, not at work, not on the street. Not attracted to them. LOVE to look at women. But here's the thing. I heard the file once. Two nights ago. And I've had some very interesting things happen since.

First, I've been having random pop-up hardons like when I was in high school, just thinking about what I've done. Today I had a lunch meeting with a guy and I found myself thinking that he was pretty attractive. I struck up a completely natural conversation with an openly gay (almost camp) co-worker. I had wood on and off all day thinking about what I've started and what is going on.

I've listened to the file ONCE. Just ONCE. I was just chasing the next edge of that fantasy and it read just like tons of other files that threaten scary results but don't come true. But this... I'm so turned on and want to listen again now. But I'm married, family... don't want to destroy all of that. But after one listen, I'm finding myself so impacted. If I even listen one more time, I could be done. But it is begging me to listen. I don't know which me is the real me, but could use some advise.

I appreciate all of the support I've seen on this thread reading through it. You guys are amazing for each other. Is this the real me coming through and being released by this file? Or is this just the file and it is really that good?

[Sherardp]

chibicure: I did the same thing as you a couple weeks ago. Same situation exactly as you, cept my spouse is currently pregnant with our first. And I have a very conservative/religious family.

I was informed I should listen to the deprogram all, but I for some reason dont want too. I have kept myself from listening to again, which I am recently starting to notice girls again. But at the same time something keeps making me want to listen to this file again.

My suggestion to you is to think of your family first. If your really interested in seeing what you think of men try the cursed force bi.

Its your life what you want, but try to think how you will affect others before making your decision.

[Alien4420]

Wow, Chibicure, I don't know what to say.

My first thought was yeah, been there, done that, I know all the stuff you're going through although it happened more slowly with me.

My second thought was yeah, you have a wife and kids, you have to put your family first although you've been without sex for too long so if you aren't having sex with your wife and it's because of her, well, I think she has to grant you a sexual outlet more satisfying than porn.

My third is, well, maybe you really are this way? This is a question we all ask ourselves but I know that for me the changes were gradual and there was a lot of resistance along the way. On the other hand, it may just be that you're a great hypnotic subject. There are scales for that and tests that a hypnotist can perform. Did you go into a very deep trance?

[chibicure]

Yeah, I know, right? I mean, now that I've read through tons of this thread, I've certainly gotten the message of "watch-out", but I laid awake this morning with wood, unable to get images and ideas of men out of my head.

I don't know if I went into a deep trance. I've never done hypnosis before but I don't really remember a bunch of the file. I remember initially kind of annoyed at the voice, cringing because I've not really been attracted to actual guys, but then not minding it and then I'm really not sure I even really heard the whole file. I can't even tell you all of the parts in it... I just remember there being a long beginning and then realizing that I was rock hard and it was over. I didn't fall asleep, I don't think.

Is that what a deep trance is? I kinda figured I just wanted to hear what was in the file to see whether it was like other stuff I'd read somewhere. I just can't remember what was in the file. This is kinda making me want to listen again just to find out.

[chibicure]

chibicure: I did the same thing as you a couple weeks ago. Same situation exactly as you, cept my spouse is currently pregnant with our first. And I have a very conservative/religious family.

I was informed I should listen to the deprogram all, but I for some reason dont want too. I have kept myself from listening to again, which I am recently starting to notice girls again. But at the same time something keeps making me want to listen to this file again.

My suggestion to you is to think of your family first. If your really interested in seeing what you think of men try the cursed force bi.

Its your life what you want, but try to think how you will affect others before making your decision.

I don't want anyone else to get hurt. That certainly isn't the idea, so I totally get where you are coming from. I just wanted to take the j/o material to the next level... never expected to have this kind of reaction from one listen. Even the thread says it takes lots of time and maybe even months multiple times a day. But I can't get over the fact that I was checking this guy out that I met at lunch. I'm not saying he's worth my family... I'm just saying that this is powerful stuff that gets me hot and scared and feeling amazing and horrible all at once.

[Sherardp]

Exactly, just FYI although I am attracted to women again the sight of cock still turns me on. I wouldn't quite say I am by from one listen cause I don't think I could go through with it with a man.

But I do know if I listen to it again, then I will greatly increase the chance of that happening. So I have chosen for myself not to listen to no matter the urge.

[santi777]

Yeah, I know, right? I mean, now that I've read through tons of this thread, I've certainly gotten the message of "watch-out", but I laid awake this morning with wood, unable to get images and ideas of men out of my head.

I don't know if I went into a deep trance. I've never done hypnosis before but I don't really remember a bunch of the file. I remember initially kind of annoyed at the voice, cringing because I've not really been attracted to actual guys, but then not minding it and then I'm really not sure I even really heard the whole file. I can't even tell you all of the parts in it... I just remember there being a long beginning and then realizing that I was rock hard and it was over. I didn't fall asleep, I don't think.

Is that what a deep trance is? I kinda figured I just wanted to hear what was in the file to see whether it was like other stuff I'd read somewhere. I just can't remember what was in the file. This is kinda making me want to listen again just to find out.

Hello Chibicure:) Well i can definitely understand your situation because i was married before and i do have a couple of kids. I considered myself bi before i was married and i did tell my ex-wife about my experience with a man. Now, i didn't tell her this until after she told me about her experience with a woman but i guess it's different for guys because she was not understanding at all about it! But no worries:) I did date men and women after my divorce but mostly men.

I got into Sissy file and Feminization Stuff a few years ago, which led me here. I'm really a Gay Sissy at this point but if you've read through the different posts some men become Gay Jocks, some are Femme and some are just regular Guys, you know? I think being Gay can mean several different things...it doesn't necessary mean you will be a Femme Guy.

I would say that if you and your Wife haven't had sex for a year and a half that might indicate a problem within your relationship. I would suggest talking to a marriage counselor, if you can. Or maybe a neutral family member? At this point, i would say it might be a good idea for you stop listening to any files. I wouldn't want you or your family to get hurt. But if you are having lots of fantasies about men it might indicate the file, woke something inside you but you could be Bi not Gay. It's really tough for me to say because i think a major factor in all this is that You and your Wife aren't having sex.

I would definitely encourage you to keep posting in the forum, if you need to but perhaps the first step might be trying to talk to your Wife? I feel some must be some distance between you for some reason. The best part about marriage (when it's going well!) is that you can have lots of sex!!! and not feel bad about it...lol

Take care of yourself and just to let you know, you are always welcome to post here, if you need some help or advice :)

[OxyFemboi]

Chubicure wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I want to start by saying, WOW. And then uh oh. So I'm married and have been without sex for about 18 months. My wife just doesn't have a big drive so I've been spending some time online using stories and femdom to find my fantasies. Those with men who are forced-bi or somehow find themselves tricked or forced gay really got me hot for a while. But I've never been really attracted to anything other than the cock. I've played with toys and everything, but never been able to be attracted to men. Always felt uncomfortable around gay couples, watching them together, kissing, making out, even gay porn. Always had the effect of shutting me down. What I liked was being submissive and considering the change.

But here's the thing. My search for another fantasy led me to Curse Forced Gay. I haven't tried any other hypnosis ever. And I didn't read this forum first. So two nights ago, ...

The idea of a permanent change has always excited me, but as I said, never really looked at men. Not in the shower, not at work, not on the street. Not attracted to them. LOVE to look at women. But here's the thing. I heard the file once. Two nights ago. And I've had some very interesting things happen since.

I don't want anyone else to get hurt. That certainly isn't the idea, so I totally get where you are coming from. I just wanted to take the j/o material to the next level...

I've listened to the file ONCE. Just ONCE. I was just chasing the next edge of that fantasy and it read just like tons of other files that threaten scary results but don't come true. But this... I'm so turned on and want to listen again now. But

I appreciate all of the support I've seen on this thread reading through it. You guys are amazing for each other. Is this the real me coming through and being released by this file? Or is this just the file and it is really that good?

Uh, yes. Welcome.

You really should have read the thread -- and the warnings -- first. Yeah, yeah, yeah ... too late now. You're as susceptible to hypnosis as I am. And that's going some. One listen was enough to instill a nice ten-year obsession with being a jock. Considering how deep you went -- yes, that's extremely deep -- it might be too late now.

I suggest that you and your wife -- or you alone if your wife won't go -- see a marriage counselor. If nothing else, this will help you decide if you want to stay in this relationship. If yo go alone, you can talk about you gay feelings and decide if you want to act on them.

I suspect that you may have had gay or bi feelings. Nothing works that fast unless there's something there to work with.

Permanent changes are the hallmark of Curse files. You picked an intriguing file to listen to for your first file. Yes, these changes are permanent. At lest, you should treat these changes as permanent until you have proof that they aren't. There's less mental anguish that way.

I'm wondering ... did you have the player on repeat when you listened? If you did, you may have listened to Curse Forced Gay more than once. If this is a reaction to a first listen to the file, you probably are a much better subject than I am!

Well, you certainly got an entirely new universe of jerk-off material, including all the male-male slash fanfiction ... including the Winchesters (Supernatural), K/S (Star Trek), etc, etc, etc ... and an entire side of xtube (and similar sites) to investigate that you hadn't paid too much attention to.

I'm sure each of us can recommend a website or two filled with all sorts of gay material. Gay musclemen/jock erotica can be found at www.pridesites.com/omelissokomos/ with some people from WMM contributing stories, callmecrazy and magus among them. Smoking erotica can be found at www.smokinmen.com.

I second Santi's invitation, Chibicure; if you want to keep contributing to this forum here, you are more than welcome.

If you're interested in becoming femme, you could try ViVe's Feminine Conditioning at http://www.vivehypnosis.de/?p=698. I'm sorry. That wasn't too helpful, was it?

As for your question of "Is this the real me or is it the file?" It could be the real you; it could be the file; it could be some combination of both ... or neither. There's no way of knowing ... now. But from reading this thread (and others like it) ... yes, the file is that good.

sherardp wrote:
I was informed I should listen to the deprogram all, but I for some reason dont want too. I have kept myself from listening to again, which I am recently starting to notice girls again. But at the same time something keeps making me want to listen to this file again.

The Borg ended their standard message of assimilation with "Resistance is futile." Resistance is extremely difficult, but is not necessarily futile. One or two did escape becoming totally gay; he/they became bi instead.

[alphabeta11]

I don't think the file has fully affected you, I think it will wear off in due time. I think the fact that your wife and you haven't had sex you are just willing enough to make a fantasy to please you because you are desperate for sexual action. I would recommend not listening, consult a marriage counsellor or talk with your wife that you need sex. It's a two person relationship, some guys do need sexual interaction, they think it is an important thing. Women might not but that's women. You are just so horny and this is your outlet, I wouldn't worry much. But if you do listen more, it will get to you. You can beat anything. I don't think it's too late at all, some might be over reacting to a few listens or one. But one thing that is true, that you are most definitely bisexual or at the very least, bicurious.

[Alien4420]

Yeah, I know, right? I mean, now that I've read through tons of this thread, I've certainly gotten the message of "watch-out", but I laid awake this morning with wood, unable to get images and ideas of men out of my head.

I don't know if I went into a deep trance. I've never done hypnosis before but I don't really remember a bunch of the file. I remember initially kind of annoyed at the voice, cringing because I've not really been attracted to actual guys, but then not minding it and then I'm really not sure I even really heard the whole file. I can't even tell you all of the parts in it... I just remember there being a long beginning and then realizing that I was rock hard and it was over. I didn't fall asleep, I don't think.

Is that what a deep trance is? I kinda figured I just wanted to hear what was in the file to see whether it was like other stuff I'd read somewhere. I just can't remember what was in the file. This is kinda making me want to listen again just to find out.

Yeah, that's a deep trance. :-) The way you can tell you didn't fall asleep (which sometimes happens) is that you wake up at the awakening (the part where the hypnotist tells you you're going to awaken and counts from one to five).

That's excellent, really, some people struggle for years to learn how to go into a deep trance. But it does mean you have to approach these files with care.

[Alien4420]

Yeah to what everyone said and I'm going to suggest listening to Deprogram All. It's designed to take out every file you've listened to. Since you were out during the file, you may not know that there are suggestions in this curse that make you keep listening to the file and prevent attempts at escape. Since you've listened only once the suggestions will tend to wear off but I know from experience that one can become trapped by those suggestions to keep listening, it's happened to me on numerous occasions. Also that you can have long term effects from files you've listened to only once, they won't take you over after a single listen but they *will* become part of you and *some* of the suggestions will stick or resurface when something elicits the memory.

So I'd listen to Deprogram All every day for a week, try to deal with the sexual issue with your wife (I agree that women, whose sexual needs are different, can be naive about this and I've seen marriages destroyed as a result), and then explore the possibility that you're bi or even gay leaning. If your wife doesn't want to have sex anymore it might be possible to reach an accommodation with her whereby you get your sexual enjoyment elsewhere, there are more than a few married gay or bi guys who are happy to hook up.

[chibicure]

Oxdude, I may be in a world of hurt here. I realized that my player was on repeat and I may have listened multiple times. Which might be why when I went to try and shrug it off and let it go based on all your advice last night, I found myself listening again this morning. It was the only thing that stopped all of the anxiety that I was awake with most of the night.

I get that I must have cracked something open here in a big way. I don't know how to say, "a couple of days ago, I listened to this mp3" and now I need counseling and professional help. Hard to believe that anyone could take me seriously, especially my wife. I mean, it isn't like I went out and had an encounter or an affair. I just listened to some really erotic suggestions about needing men instead of women. Right?

It feels sooo good to be this hot and bothered all of the time right now. Every thought about this gets be both turned on and incredibly anxious. It is such a Wonderful feeling to release to these new ideas. So much better than what has been for the past while.

I have to admit. I am so impressed how much you are all thinking of the big picture and not just getting excited about another turnee. I feel like you have the best interests at heart. I guess I'll look to deprogram tonight and see if that makes it stop. I wish it didn't feel so good though...

[Alien4420]

Yeah, go with Deprogram All *twice* a day, morning and night, and keep at it for weeks. You don't want to give the compulsion to listen again a chance to come back. Better yet, there's an undo file, buy it from EMG -- it's going to be $70 or something but given the stakes that's petty cash.

As to the effects -- yeah, it is fun, you'll spend months feeling like a teenager again because you'll be twice as horny as usual and you'll be discovering an entire new sexual world. But you're also going to find that you can't do it with women anymore. That's about the last thing to go, at least it was for me.

Being gay is great and I wish I could cheer you on, but it sounds like the price is too high and that you should get it removed and try the bi files instead.

[chibicure]

Yeah, go with Deprogram All *twice* a day, morning and night, and keep at it for weeks. You don't want to give the compulsion to listen again a chance to come back. Better yet, there's an undo file, buy it from EMG -- it's going to be $70 or something but given the stakes that's petty cash.

As to the effects -- yeah, it is fun, you'll spend months feeling like a teenager again because you'll be twice as horny as usual and you'll be discovering an entire new sexual world. But you're also going to find that you can't do it with women anymore. That's about the last thing to go, at least it was for me.

Being gay is great and I wish I could cheer you on, but it sounds like the price is too high and that you should get it removed and try the bi files instead.

I went to download deprogrammed and got sooo anxious and then just needed to listen to CFG. I need his voice. It feels so good to me and delicious and horny and right to want men. Part of me is thinking that this may be okay because my wife doesn't want sex anyway. So me not wanting women is like protecting and giving her what she wants, right? No more pressure from me and absolute pleasure for me.

Saw a woman that I'd normally think was so hot tonight at dinner, and found myself wishing she had a cock. And then I looked at all of the guys I was around and started getting all horny. Maybe this is better for me? Maybe I am gay? I don't want to stop listening. I'll be able to undo this later, right? Just need this feeling right now. Being gay seems so ... so much better today.

[Alien4420]

I went to download deprogrammed and got sooo anxious and then just needed to listen to CFG. I need his voice. It feels so good to me and delicious and horny and right to want men. Part of me is thinking that this may be okay because my wife doesn't want sex anyway. So me not wanting women is like protecting and giving her what she wants, right? No more pressure from me and absolute pleasure for me.

Saw a woman that I'd normally think was so hot tonight at dinner, and found myself wishing she had a cock. And then I looked at all of the guys I was around and started getting all horny. Maybe this is better for me? Maybe I am gay? I don't want to stop listening. I'll be able to undo this later, right? Just need this feeling right now. Being gay seems so ... so much better today.

Yeah, maybe you are gay. You've certainly responded strongly. And as you say, if your wife doesn't want sex, maybe it will work out.

One thing, though, if you listen for a while, you probably won't be able to reverse it. Initially you can and a bunch of guys have -- one guy even took it to the point where he tried gay sex, and then switched right back as soon as he had -- but I think you're already seeing just how hard it is to escape this file.

If you're already at the point where you can't listen to Deprogram All, the best thing to do would be to try *not* to listen to Forced Gay for a day so that the suggestions weaken. I've often found that I can escape a compulsion to listen after that. Then, download Deprogram All and listen and listen and keep doing it at least twice a day for weeks. Otherwise you'll just end up listening to Forced Gay again.

[jan]

chibicure -

If you can't resist it now, why would it be easier later? It won't be. If you allow yourself to get to the point where you have gay sex, the positive feedback loops will just get stronger.

If you want to stop, jerk off immediately you get horny, and before you listen to the file. Fantasize straight or kinky-straight to do it. Don't listen to the file under any circumstances. This might require some discipline, but if you want to regain control of your life, just do it.

The alternative is the same as you can read in all these CFG threads - many, many buys who never believed it have ended up gay.

The choice is yours, if you choose to exercise it.

jan

[OxyFemboi]

chibi wrote:
I went to download deprogrammed and got sooo anxious and then just needed to listen to CFG. I need his voice. It feels so good to me and delicious and horny and right to want men. Part of me is thinking that this may be okay because my wife doesn't want sex anyway. So me not wanting women is like protecting and giving her what she wants, right? No more pressure from me and absolute pleasure for me.

You're listening to CFG now. After one listen, the idea of listening to DeProgramAll (or similar files) is making you seek out and listen to CFG. Why do you think it will get easier?

No more pressure from me and absolute pleasure for me.

Yeah ... good rationalization. Hell, it may even be true. Does she want sex with you? Do you know? Do you really want to be in this relationship? I can't answer these questions; the only person who can answer them is you ... probably with the help of a couples counselor or a really good psychiatrist.

You currently have a possibility of not ending up gay. You may not have that possibility if you listen much more. Your choice is simple: don't listen/resist/possibly stay straight or listen/become gay. jan wrote, The alternative -- listening -- is the same as you can read in all these CFG threads - many, many guys who never believed it have ended up gay.

I suspect you know what you want to happen, bro. I hope you make the choice you want, the choice you won't regret, and the choice you can be happy with. I hope these are all the same choice!

Alien, you should offer your edited version CFG to chibi! And maybe post the edited version ... and send me a copy.

Peace.

[Alien4420]

You're right. I promised to send it to Robin but it's a WAV and just the body and I have to make an MP3 of it and reattach the induction/awakening etc. So I have to find some time to do it but when I've made the MP-3 I'll post it here.

[chibicure]

Okay, okay. I've just never allowed myself to explore this part of me before. I've always put aside any fantasies and felt guilty if I ever used a fantasy to orgasm. But this... This there is no guilt afterwards. It isn't like I am yo-young, it's like falling into bliss each time... And each time falling further. It is addictive, but not in the bad way I thought it would be, but in an extremely pleasurable way. The problem is that I'm not even sure it is a problem right now... I want to listen even as I am writing this because it feels so delicious. It is a really great file that my brain is saying, "why stop if you love and crave it so much?"

I get your messages, I do... I really appreciate the advice... I don't know which choice to make right now.

[OxyFemboi]

chibi wrote
Okay, okay. I've just never allowed myself to explore this part of me before. I've always put aside any fantasies and felt guilty if I ever used a fantasy to orgasm. But this... This there is no guilt afterwards. It isn't like I am yo-young, it's like falling into bliss each time... And each time falling further. It is addictive, but not in the bad way I thought it would be, but in an extremely pleasurable way. The problem is that I'm not even sure it is a problem right now... I want to listen even as I am writing this because it feels so delicious. It is a really great file that my brain is saying, "why stop if you love and crave it so much?"

I get your messages, I do... I really appreciate the advice... I don't know which choice to make right now.

I understand ... totally. To quote that renowned authority, Frank N. Furter:

? ? Give yourself over to absolute pleasure
Swim the warm waters of sins of the flesh
Erotic nightmares beyond any measure
And sensual daydreams to treasure forever ? ?

Then there is that hoary cliche (which is a cliche because it embodies truth):

When you have to make a choice and don’t make it, that is in itself a choice.
~~ William James

I know. I'm so fucking helpful. You're welcome.

[OxyFemboi]

I will quote one maxim which has helped me make many difficult decisions.

Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill,
An it harm none do what ye will.

The word "Rede" derives from Middle English, meaning "advice" or "counsel" and being closely related to the German Rat or Norwegian råd. "An" is an archaic Middle English conjunction, meaning "if." "Ye" is an archaic or dialectal form of "you" (nominative plural).

More information is located at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_Rede

[chibicure]

I get it. I'm being selfish here by doing this in secret, but I think it is understandable to want to figure out what I really want and need before sitting down to tell everyone who could be impacted. I mean if this is just a momentary fascination with a feeling, I don't want to make a big deal of it.

On the other hand, if this is more than that, I don't know who I am to even tell anyone yet. I am so hot for this right now that I don't know if I'm just in lust mode or really making a change. Today I was leaking precum in my dress slacks at work just reading thoughtful pms from members and this thread. That hasn't happened since I was a teenager. There was a guy at the cafeteria who I may have freaked out by staring him up and down so unabashedly. And a girl I met with today who I always checked out who I felt kinda blah about today. It is the most waking pleasure I can ever remember feeling.

But like most erotic drugs, it probably will lose its potency after a couple of hits. It can't feel like this forever, right? So won't I know then which direction is right for me? I want this to keep feeling good and wish we could enjoy it together.

[Sherardp]

chibicure lets evaluate the facts. You mentioned you never had a gay thought before listening to the file. Now you are, to me this we can deduct that the file has changed you.

Next you have a family whom you still care about. And your using a fact that she isn't putting out for you anymore. As an excuse to finish the process.

Here is the thing the moment you are gay the marriage is over. Do you have kids? If so you will chance not getting to see them anymore also.

My question to you are you willing to loose this? If so then tell your wife now. If not tell your wife the truth and talk to her. Tell her you made a mistake and need help. Also keep in mind women only put out when they feel loved. Maybe she hasn't felt love or the romantic spark in a while.

My suggestion is your family is more important than your newly derived sexual problem. This problem is due to something you decided to do, which I am in the same boat maybe not as extreme but I am.

Honestly, if your honest with her and tell her the truth, you might realize how much she actually loves you or she might want out of the relationship. Either way you will know the right choice from her actions.

I was raised in a very religious family where being gay is a sin. I do not say this to preach at anyone, but I say this because I think you should pray about it. God still loves people who are Gay. Pray about it beforehand. No one can give you the answer you want to hear but your family, God, and yourself. You will ultimately make the right choice. In telling you this I need to do the same for myself, I am still feeling the urges and I am thinking I listened to the file 3 weeks ago.

[jan]

chibicure, I agree with Sherardp - work on resolving your current relationship now, either fixing it or ending it. Jumping into gay sex while still being in this troubled relationship is not a clean choice. It is your unhappiness that is making this so attractive, and you are thinking with your cock, not your brain.

CFG will still be there afterwards, if you still want it, but it makes your current situation even messier by pursuing it now.

My two cents, and worth every penny you paid for it:)

jan