yeah all, i think i found a voice manipulation i can hold without straining, and is softer and to me sounds a bit feminine compared to my normal every day voice, still a bit weird sounding but if i decide to produce files, i will try my normal voice and the voice manipulation and post both and see which is preferred, and the preferred voice would be the one i try making files with to see if anyone can actually trance with them and get any effect. in a way, what i hear as i use the manip, kinda sounds like someone who has been on hormones to later on become a post-op trans/woman.